Pessoal, eu li em algum lugar que a Ford ou a GM forneceram antes de Dezembro de 1941 caminhões para a Wehrmacht. Isso procede? Quais foram os modelos e quantidade?


Obrigado e um abraço a todos os colegas modelisticos!!!!

Kosazy, a Ford e a GM não forneceram veículos para os nazistas. O que aconteceu foi que a Ford tinha uma fábrica na Alemanha e, quando os nazistas tomaram o poder, os caminhões lá produzidos foram incorporados às FAs alemãs, principalmente de 1935 a 1940. Quanto à GM, desconheço qualquer envolvimento dela com os nazistas.

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Uma dúvida, a Opel ja era controlada pela GM antes da WWII???


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Segundo a Wikipedia:

Opel, originalmente Adam Opel AG, é uma fabricante de automóveis com sede na Alemanha. A empresa foi fundada por Adam Opel em 21 de Janeiro de 1863, mas apenas começou a produzir automóveis em 1899. É uma subsidiária da General Motors desde 1929.

E no site Jerusalen Post

During the late 1930s, Hitler's persecution of Jews was building to a frenzy even as fears of a war escalated. Nevertheless, General Motors' German automotive subsidiary, Opel, remained a loyal corporate citizen of the Third Reich - content to obediently do the Nazi regime's bidding, and unstintingly supporting Hitler's program on many fronts. These included economic and employment recovery, anti-Jewish persecution, war preparedness and domestic propaganda. In return, Opel prospered.


Shortly after war broke out in Europe, however, GM executives in Germany tried to distance the American company from its involvement in the brutal German war machine. The Opel board was restructured to ensure that GM executives maintained a controlling presence on the board of directors but continued invisibility in daily management. This was accomplished in part by bringing in GM's reliable Danish chief, Albin Madsen, and maintaining two Americans on that board.

For all intents and purposes, though, once war began, Wehrmacht requirements and orders determined the specifics of military manufacturing at Opel. Like any nation at war, including the United States itself, the Reich alone determined what weapons would be made by its militarized factories. That said, it was GM's decision to remain operating in Germany, to continue to subject itself to Reich military orders, and answer the Reich's call for ever more lethal weapons

On December 7, 1941, Pearl Harbor was bombed. The United States declared war on Japan. On December 11, German diplomats in Washington called at the State Department to deliver Germany's declaration of war against America. All direct communications between GM and its Opel subsidiary in Germany were necessarily severed, although historians have always wondered about indirect links through Denmark where GM operated a longtime subsidiary. Ranking GM men from Denmark were also in ranking positions both in Opel in Germany and GM in America.

In April 1947, indictments alleging two counts of criminal conspiracy were handed down against General Motors, Mack Truck, Phillips Petroleum, Standard Oil of California and Firestone Tires, as well as against numerous key executives of the companies.

The defendants were found guilty on one of the two counts: conspiring to monopolize the bus business by creating a network of petroleum-based transit companies that were forbidden to use transportation or technology products other than those supplied by the defendants themselves. The jury found the defendants not guilty on the count alleging a conspiracy to actually control those transit systems. On April 1, 1949, the judge handed down his sentence: a $5,000 fine to each corporate defendant except Standard, which was fined $1,000. As for National City Lines, president E. Roy Fitzgerald and his co-conspirators at GM and the other companies, they too were fined. Each was ordered to "forfeit and pay to the United States of America a fine in the amount of one dollar." The cases were appealed - even the one-dollar penalties - all the way to the United States Supreme Court, which allowed the convictions to stand. The government filed a civil action against the same circle of companies trying to stop their continued conduct. But the government was unsuccessful. Undaunted, National City Lines and its many subsidiaries continued into the 1950s to acquire, convert and operate urban transit systems using evolved methods.

Se até a IBM colaborou com o esforço de guerra nazi(inclusive no Holocausto, como sabemos), e se as subsidiárias alemãs de diversas empresas americanas, como os fabricantes citados fizeram parte importante da máquina de guerra da Alemanha.... vi certa vez um texto que afirmava que essas empresas, independente de pressupostos ideológicos, enviavam normalmente seus royalties e lucros para as matrizes americanas, por diversos meios....Se essa informação for verdadeira, temos a confirmação de um velho adágio do tempo da Roma antiga: "Pecunia non let"(dinheiro não fede)

Tanto a Ford como a GM (via Opel) ajudaram a Alemanha na WWII

Já li que a Opel (no artigo falava que era sudsidiaria da GM), processou o o governo americano, em 1947, por conta dos danos às fávricas na Alemanha durante a guerra. O detalhe é que ganhou.
Não lembro direito, mas acho que foi numa SuperInteressante da ed. Abril.
Alguém pode confirmar essa informação?

Tanto a GM como a Ford e outras fabricas que tinham subisidiarias na Alemanha ao fim da guerra foram na justiça Americana para terem um resacimento das perdas sofridas nós bombardeamento de suas fabricas em teritorio Germanico e satelites(França,Holanda,Autria,Italia, etc. e a te no Japão) e ganharam a causa.

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Originalmente publicado por omarr:
Tanto a GM como a Ford e outras fabricas que tinham subisidiarias na Alemanha ao fim da guerra foram na justiça Americana para terem um resacimento das perdas sofridas nós bombardeamento de suas fabricas em teritorio Germanico e satelites(França,Holanda,Autria,Italia, etc. e a te no Japão) e ganharam a causa.

Mas e aí, foram ressarcidas?!?



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